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--- In Jharkhand@yahoogroups.co.in, Shiva Shankar <sshankar@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>In the Indian case, on the other hand, we may conjecture that from the beginning the castes were distinguished by certain differences of religious practice, since the Aryan intruders who constituted the dominant caste>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Shiv Shankar,
Toynbee is not around to prove his words. May I ask you, the forwarder to prove in a conclusive manner whether the Aryan indeed entered India ? Well, this has been on for a hundred and fifty years, mere words and no proof.
I am half Aryan , half tribal. And one one hand I am looking for proof whether my tribal ancestors were indeed the oldest settlers in this country. And I was stumped when I heard that the Thodas of Nilgiris, have a language which closely resembles greek ! The rest spoke some dravidian languages like Kannda and Tamil with a liberal mix of Sanskrit root words. So mostly they must be post Vedic people.
And when I ventured to source the Aryan roots, I could not trace it beyond the borders of my country since no other country speaks my language, no country has my habits and manners. The time of attack/migration that these volumes speak of have no basis today in the light of new discoveries. I will cite you some examples
1. The devanagari lipi itself is as old as 3000 BC. This is proved in a recent stone monument. That means that the written form of Sanskrit is older than 3000 BC. This disproves the theory that the Sound only Vedas were carried into India in 1200 BC.
2. The Indus river civilization is not an orphan civilization, but is a part of a larger civilization including that of the Saraswati river. The oldest city in this civilization is Mehrgarh in Afganistan. This now extends to Lothal in Gujarat. They worshipped Lord Shiva, the Yajurvedic God. Their works mention Yaska, the famous commentator on the vedic Nigantu (lexicon).
3. I then searched for the word 'Aryan' in Rigveda. To my surprise, it is mentioned there only three times ! And that too it is given in the context of 'a noble person'. The vedic decaration is still 'krunvanto visvam Aryam' (let us make the world noble). This gave me an idea that I was born into an all embracing, all toleration, all accepting Dharma (not a religion!).
I really squirm when sometimes calls Hinduism a 'religion'. My research shows that rather it is a conglomerate of six major religions - Saivam, Vaishnavam, Saktam, Koumaram, Ganapatyam, and Sauram. Hinduism is a Dharma in a broader sense. It comprises many religions.
It is these things that are not known to an ordinary researcher. Even , if he knew, the colonial compulsions like divide and rule, kept his quiet.
And that is the history you are quoting.
venkat
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